Showing posts with label meeting. Show all posts
Showing posts with label meeting. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Meeting for Pope Joan

Pope Joan - May 2010

There were only four of us that met for Pope Joan this month, but it turned out to be a fun discussion. We've gone to most of the Rocket Bakeries here in town, and I didn't know there was one so far north. It was a good location! Turns out there are several print editions of this book, but we only knew this based on the questions with the author at the end of newer editions. They all had discussion questions, which is mostly nice...but some questions are a bit general/dumbed down/repetitive. We usually end up having good conversations, mostly without them. We all think it's possible a female Pope could have existed (conspiracy theorists!) and I think we all wished she could have ended up with Gerold (romantics!). I really enjoyed the structure of this book; simple & effective. I learned a TON about Catholicism (and Latin & Italian, believe it or not), and it sparked interest in those areas. I think after Lolita, this might be my favorite book club selection. One criticism that I kind of understood was that one reader couldn't latch onto the character, the story didn't draw her in enough. Which started this discussion...I really wished that Joan had a fault. Just one! There was nothing wrong with this girl! She was perfect! And I thought that contributed to her lack of humanity, which hinders our understanding & compassion (which I'm familiar with because of theatre).

Pope Joan
7.5, 8.8, 8.5, (me) 9

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Thursday, April 22, 2010

Ranks

Water for Elephants
9, 9, 9, 9, 8, 9.3, (me) 8

The Help
8.7, 8.6, 8, 8, (me) 8.5

Art of Racing in the Rain
9, 8.6, 7.5, 9, (me) 8

Sunday, January 31, 2010

Meeting for The Reader

Meeting:
I was really excited about this meeting because I asked two new girls to join and Megan asked one (though she couldn't make it this time). We had several girls which really helped with our discussion! Lots of fun questions and opinions and coffee...made for a great Sunday!

We met on the top floor of the Natural Start Bakery again (and reserved for our next meeting...SUCH a good spot!). It's nice and cozy, and seems to be close enough to fit everyone's needs. There were six of us, which I felt might be the perfect number. Several girls still didn't show, but having this many people might be nice so there's no pressure to show if you just can't swing it.

About the book...I'm not sure we all felt it, though I got the feeling we were all proud to be able to put it on our I HAVE READ list! It was a really interesting novel with some difficult topics, but it may have been too aloof for us to grab onto. I thought I didn't feel urgency or suspense because I had seen the movie, but two others hadn't and they said the same thing before I had voiced that opinion. I can't put my finger on why we didn't hook in yet, but if I/we figure it out, I'll have to write it down. We did, however, enjoy some really cool discussions about WWII and the implications of living just after that ended. The guilt and process of moving on struck us in general. It's hard to understand because we feel so far removed already. It wasn't that long ago, but it is SO hard to imagine how it even occurred. Then we talked a lot about love and what it goes through; how resilient it can be. Surprisingly, the topic of age didn't really come up in a negative light. I'm becoming pretty socially liberal the more I get into the people around me, but I wasn't sure about the rest of the girls. Maybe it was an avoided topic, but I'd like to thing that we all kind of understood. Then again, after Lolita....well....maybe it didn't need to be brought up. Or maybe it's a gender thing. (Then again, I'm surprised we missed that angle. SHOOT!). Anyway, we all felt for Hannah in some way or another, and were grateful that we can talk about this book in the future!

Final:
The overall sores were 8, 7, 6.5, 6 (me), 6 and 5.5. Average = 6.5 (where 10 is high). Again, not dreadful, but not completely compelling either. I'm stoked for next month!

Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Meeting on The Year of the Flood

The Year of the Flood by Margaret Atwood - 2009 Dec

Meeting:
We met at the Natural Start Bakery near Mission/Hamilton. Really good location, and you can reserve the top floor for things like...a book group! I got there 15 minutes late as a result of driving directly from Seattle post-Christmas celebration, but they were kind enough to wait. Despite the fact that we had picked these dates 2 months ago, only two other girls (Megan and Jessica) showed up, and nobody else let us know they weren't coming...weird. Holiday bustle, I guess. So I didn't get the green tea I was craving, but next time I WILL! We had a lot to talk about for this book. It presented much more tangible topics than The Devil in the White City. One thing I remember was strong disagreements surfacing regarding the male characters. After reading this book, I assumed that the male characters were mistakenly one-dimensional, or left mysteriously unfinished in an attempt to shift focus to our two "heroines". But both Megan and Jessica have read Atwood before and know that she is a bit of a feminist, and that this specific inattention to detail is likely deliberate and a usual pattern for her. I wonder how my second reading of this literature, especially in regards to males, would feel in comparison. But that wasn't the big debate...I found no sympathy with the males. I found them careless and hypocritical, wheras another member found a few to be likable (Zeb in particular because he seemed "protective"). These are the reasons why I love meeting with these girls. It's so wonderful to hash out some new perspectives and change your opinion (like I did about one-dimensional guys in this lit...I think I get it now and am excited for more Atwood!). Another topic was the organization. I'm not sure the other two enjoyed Adam One's sermons as much as I did. Megan did look up all of the saints mentioned and came up with some interesting results via Google. I didn't even think of it (not like me at all). I find if I want to look things up online it's because I'm bored out of my mind at a book, or so enthralled by it I don't have time to put it down at all. The Year of the Flood fell into the latter category. Jessica had great topics of discussion. We talked for awhile about the environmental aspects and whether or not it should affect our lives. We also wondered aloud at the state of the world and whether or not we would get to this point (in our lifetimes or past them). We didn't talk as much as I had anticipated about the ending. There, again, we disagreed a bit. It was found to be unfinished in one's eyes, and in another's a satisfying and hopeful conclusion. But we all agreed on one thing: we are fascinated by the blue people and hope that they are a substantial part of Oryx and Crake.

Final:
I refused to go first, but I had decided to give this book an 8 out of 10 before anyone else spoke. We had another 8 and a 9.5. On this we all agreed: a GREAT book!

Next:
Well...we don't exactly know. Since there were only three of us (and one won't even live in the states for the next meeting) we felt uncomfortable picking the next book for all. We have three on the list that I will post separately. I'll keep them on the TO READ list until we've checked them off!

Sunday, November 22, 2009

Complete: The Devil in the White City

The Devil in the White City by Erik Larson - 2009 Nov

I'm not sure how I should make these posts flow, so here starts an experiment...or maybe my own novel...sorry I'm so long winded. I think in the future, I'll try separating these sections.


Finding the Book:

Started off with buying the book, I suppose. We decided that we'd like to do fiction, and had a list of 4 or 5 going. None of us had a solid opinion, so I honestly just picked one. The Devil in the White City by Erik Larson. I thought the tagline to be cheesy...something about murder, magic and mayhem at the world's greatest fair...but attributed that to overzealous editors. I went to a corporate bookstore (ugh) just because it was close and I got lazy. I scanned the fiction shelves, but no book. Since the store was closing, I asked a clerk to make the process quicker. She recognized the title and shepherded me over to the History section...?! Turns out, The Devil in the White City is a non-fiction item. Curious as to why we didn't pick up on this, I purchased it (and noted the small paper signs denoting that it was an employee favorite). The checker also small talked me; she hadn't read it, but heard a lot about it. She asked a few questions about book club, but fearing a corporate club offer with a fee, I deflected.

For some reason, I always flip through a book quickly when I get it. I suppose it's the child in me checking for super cool illustrations. To my adolescent delight, a few b&w photos were layered in. I noted an extensive source guide, bibliography, and index. A true nonfiction? Also (not sure where to categorize this random observation), everywhere I carted the book in public, someone would notice the cover and tell me their opinion about it. I ran into more positive former readers than negative, which motivated me to keep reading.

Reading:
The first 100 pages was like MUD for me to get though. Seeing no in-text citations, I noted that this book deliberately read like a fiction. I oscillated back and forth for awhile, finally deciding that the big-chain bookstore had categorized it correctly in History. The book began in the late-1800s (a period of great interest to me) and essentially bounced back and forth between two central characters. In short, an architect attempting to construct the world's greatest fair in Chicago, and a serial killer capitalizing on the opportunity of incoming murderable material. The author established his penchant for careful research early on...and took it too far early on as well, sometimes over-accentuating a small detail. For example, he would state a fact, insert a quote from a personal letter from any old Midwesterner, followed by a newspaper headline, followed by more musing upon said fact, and closed by a quote from a diary entry from another random Midwesterner. I felt bombarded sometimes by character names and/or source materials (I wished most were simply cited in the final indices). BUT this is why I love book club; had I been reading this for personal pleasure, the 100 page rule would have kicked in and I would have tossed it aside for a Shakespeare or something. Book club forces me to keep trudging even when I feel like quitting, if nothing else to tell them WHY I might have hated a piece of lit. But in the long run, I ended up enjoying this book for a lot of reasons. Despite the lack of narrative style that I craved (in my own personal opinion, of course), I always delight in intellectual provocation. When I was a child, I used to read Paul Harvey's The Rest of the Story. CONSTANTLY. They are very short stories with the key fact in the last words (read a few on Amazon, you'll see why as a child I LOVED them). Anyway, this book was like a long-winded Paul Harvey story. There are links to Disney, Frank Lloyd Wright, Shredded Wheat, PBR, the invention of the zipper, the USA's answer to the Eiffel Tower (I won't spoil this one)...on and on. I LOVE that stuff! One thing that I was disappointed with, however, was the lack of new vocabulary. I read with a pencil and a dictionary. ALWAYS. I write definitions in the margins, but I'll tell you how many words I looked up...5.

  • refulgent: shining radiantly (page 12)
  • miasma: noxious atmosphere, poisonous vapor (page 28)
  • inculcate: teach by repetition; instill (page 39)
  • obstreperous: noisily & stubbornly defiant (page 58)
  • somnambulistic: sleepwalking (page 105)
Out of 400 pages, I looked up 5 words and they were all in the first quarter. Not that I particularly enjoy a deluge of unfamiliarity, but if I look up a word per page, I'm really excited. Or, if I recognize a word that I looked up in, say, One Hundred Years of Solitude, and now know what it means, I'm even more excited. None of that joy in this book. But I did have strong reactions to the images presented, particularly architecturally. I was propelled to the internet to conduct a visual search, which is always a good sign when I read (click the WHITE CITY image below). Also, I found myself particularly entranced by the serial killer chapters (morbid, I know). The book was zippered up, alternating chapters between architect and murderer. I couldn't get through the architect chapters quickly enough to get back to the criminal. His name was H. H. Holmes (well, one of his names...you'll see!). Immediately I thought of Humbert Humbert, and I was not disappointed by this coincidental parallel.

In general, the note I wrote the most in the margins was "delusions of grandeur?"

Meeting:
We met at the Rocket, a great local coffee shop and bakery. Attendees were Megan, Crystal, Minda, Jessica (and a foreign friend visiting for the time being) and me. (and I? Grammatically, not sure...moving on...). Perfect number of girls for a good discussion, upon reflection. Somehow I wound up facilitating, so I printed sets of questions that I found online. I'll link to them (reposting might be too long; let me know if you want me to repost in comments). One set was by the publisher, one set was random?, and the other was a general question list that applies to any book. I was NOT strict by any means with questions, just brought one up when there was a lull in the conversation. Everyone finished the book, which is a good sign. The general consensus was that perhaps the author wanted to write a book about Holmes (aka serial killer) but did not have enough material to churn a book out on him alone. We all found him compelling the read. Four of us agreed about the first 100 pages being the obstacle. The questions that I brought up regarding the application of this piece of literature to real life didn't seem to light fires under anyone (Ex: Much was made about classical vs modern architecture, and no one had a solid opinion regarding it.). I wondered aloud what the author was telling us, what his final opinion regarding his own worldview, but only heard broad generalizations. Personally, I saw a striking parallel between the control and organization of this book, and the manic control issues H. H. Holmes displayed. There's an opportunity to distort the truth with the nonfiction/source material aspect of this book, and the same is true regarding the memoir/confession of the murderer. Both authors seem to display the same tendencies regarding the driver's seat (That thought doesn't make sense, but maybe I'll expand and refine it in the future).

Final:
I dishonestly ranked the book highest, purely out of nicety. I had to be the example, and didn't want anyone to think I hated it, particularly in the first meeting of the group that I helped start. Didn't want to end on a sour note, I guess. Anyway, rankings were (I think) 5, 6, 6, 7 and 8. Not poor, but not stellar. I would recommend this book to the avid nonfiction reader, or to someone that feels confined by academia (maybe a bored college student). But not to a book club looking for deep, truthful discussions...unless the book club has ONLY read fiction for a solid year or more. It would be a good way to rock the boat in that case.